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Suddenly, three very important words have come through the ELIJAH LIST. And, they have found their way to our forum. These three are from the Lord, and are to be taken together in a unified context.

1) HIS BODY, THE FULLNESS OF HIM-Keith (Moonman) has provided prophetic commentary, with which I am almost 100% in agreement. There is no need for further comment by me here, except to speak forth in judgement that I agree.

2) "I HAVE KEYS IN MY HAND. I'M REVIEWING AUTHORITY FROM CITY TO CITY, STATE TO STATE, AND REGION TO REGION"-Steve Klasek (Huskermaniac) has provided prophetic commentary here. There is no need for me to comment, except to simply say that I agree.

3) CARNAGE-Pieter (Soteria) has brought us this word, and it is indeed, extremely powerful. This word, in particular is one which the Lord has given me a quickening in my spirit to comment on. With His help, I will endeavor to do so.


Yesterday, as I sat at my desk, I was carried away in my mind to remember a trip I took to St. Augustine, Florida several years back. I knew the Lord was sending me there at the time and I went, looking and waiting for the Lord to reveal the reason for the sending. The trip was going normally and uneventfully enough for several hours. We wanted to tour the "Castillo De San Marcos". It is the oldest stone fort on American soil. As I stood on the upper deck of the fort, where the canons are mounted, I overlooked the bay, out to the harbor. All at once, I had a strong desire to know what that bay was called. I knew, at that time, that the Holy Spirit had "kicked in" and that this trip had now been transformed into the realm of the supernatural. I searched in several guide books and found not only the name of the bay, but the meaning of the name. It is called, "Matanzas Bay", which means, "the place of slaughter". I did not know why the Lord had revealed this, but I have never forgotten it. It was, as it were, burned into my spirit: an association of "place of slaughter" with the idea of "advancement of the gospel".

Yesterday, the Lord reminded me of that, and that St. Augustine is the first place the Holy Bible came ashore in North America, in 1565. I stood on that canon deck in 1995, exactly 430 years after the ships carrying the bible entered that bay. 430 years was also the time of the Israelite captivity in Egypt.

The Lord spoke that word, "Matanzas" to me yesterday, 11/2/2000. Then, this morning, 11/3/2000, I read Bill Burns word, through Pieter, concerning "Carnage". And, also, the way in which the Lord spoke the word to Bill: very similar to how he spoke the word "Matanzas" to me yesterday. I consider the word to be confirmed, in my spirit.

Then, the Lord told me, this morning, to take these three prophetic words together and read them, in a unified context, and consider what the Lord is saying that he is doing in His body. I have now alerted all of you to go back and read them in progression. I'll copy all three below, together with the comments given by Keith and Steve, to make it easy for you serious disciples to do just that.

Finally, as I write, I am led of the spirit to say something concerning the coming forth of the apostles and the separation of the wheat from the chaff, the pure from the vile. You will know them by their fruits. You will recognize them, not because they are constantly touting their apostleship, but because they have laid down their lives for you, they have worked, over and over again, to establish you in the ministry and to bring you forth to be everthing God has called you to be. They have an unusual insight and ability to SEE into you, to SEE what God has placed there, and to bring it forth. And they labor to see it done, at tremendous cost to themselves. There is no thought or care given to their own promotion----they grow by growing those they serve. These are hidden now, in the cleft of the rock, but God is bringing them forth. If you think about it, you probably already know one or two of them.

Stephen L. Bening

Let us now look at a reprint of the word, CARNAGE, given through Bill Burns:

"Bill Burns
Faith Tabernacle
P. O. Box 1148
Kremmling, CO 80459

October 31, 2000:
This morning as I was involved in my normal routine(making my way to the coffee pot), the Lord spoke one word to me..."carnage." So with coffee in hand I went to my desk and consulted Mr. Webster.

Carnage (from caro, flesh): a bloody and extensive slaughter; massacre. I am thinking, "Uh oh!" And I'm wondering if that has to do with the conflict in the Middle East or a terrorist attack yet to come.

I looked back to the dictionary and saw that the next word following carnage is carnal (from caro, flesh) -- of the flesh; material or worldly. This is a word that I am familiar with because I am a preacher of the Gospel and have preached extensively about carnality, the works of the flesh.

The Lord then spoke again and said, "I will now send a Zadok anointing upon My prophets so that they can identify the true from the false. The sons of Zadok must come forth and stand with My apostles, for false apostles are seeking to gain a position of rule over My people."

I have not ruled out a "carnage" in the natural world because many times we are given signs in the natural of those things that will take place in the spirit. However, the Lord wants His people to understand the present situation in the church as it relates to the establishment of apostolic leadership in the Body of Christ.

There is much clamor right now about the office of the apostle. For several years now the prophetic word has announced the coming forth of the apostles who will lead the church into its inheritance. The problem is that we have the false mixed in with the true. Let us hear the warning of Apostle Paul.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

This process of separating the true from the false (precious from the vile) is about to cause a carnage (bloody and extensive slaughter) among the sheep as lines of division are established according to which "apostle" they have associated themselves with.

The false apostles will be those who seek the office for carnal reasons. These apostles will desire to rule over the people for material gain and to gain a position of prominence. They will appoint themselves or seek appointment through an established organization. These false apostles will then demand that the church follow them and submit to their rule.

In as much as the Lord is now rebuilding the Tabernacle of David (Acts 15:16), it is not unusual that He would use Zadok as a type of those prophets that He will now raise up. Zadok, whose name means "just and righteous," remained loyal to David all of his life.

For our understanding, David was a type of Christ and Zadok was a type of those who will remain loyal to Jesus and will submit only to the spirit of Truth. Zadok was a priest, but he was also a prophet. In 2 Samuel 15:27, David identifies Zadok as a seer (prophet). A seer has the ability to see God's appointed, kingly leadership.

Abiathar was also a priest who served David (2 Samuel 15:24-29). Abiathar represents those who will join themselves to the Adonijah's (false apostles) who seek to establish themselves as apostles for personal gain.

Adonijah (David's son) and Abiathar (David's priest) were in the church of David's day. If they were with us today, and they are in type, they would point to their right to rule because of their sonship and service to the king.

1 Kings chapter one records the narrative of Adonijah's plot to become king. Adonijah conferred with Abiathar who followed and helped him. But, Zadok (who belonged to David) did not follow Adonijah. The Adonijah's (false apostles) will not seek confirmation of the true prophets. 1 Kings 1:10 tells us that Adonijah did not invite Nathan the prophet to join him. The reason that Adonijah didn't invite Zadok the seer, and Nathan the prophet is obvious; it is because those who are false servants will never seek confirmation from true servants. The false will only seek after the false for confirmation. So, the false apostles of our day will seek confirmation from other false apostles and false prophets.

These divisions, which are about to occur, are necessary. How else will the true leadership of our time become identifiable to the Body of Christ? The battle will be a bloody battle (carnage), but out of the battle the Church without spot or wrinkle will come forth.

1 Kings 1:39 tells us that it was Zadok who anointed Solomon king. Solomon represents the true apostles who will lead God's people into the fullness of their inheritance in this, the end of the age. The apostles, like Solomon, will seek God's wisdom. And, because they do, they will have a kingly anointing that will enable them to lead God's people into their inheritance and in victory over the enemy.

It was David and Zadok who established the leaders (priests) in their positions of service. (1Chronicles 24:3-5). Once again, it will be according to the pattern as established in the Word of the Lord. It is now time for the sons of Zadok to come forth, and they will be recognized by the anointing that they carry, and they will pour that anointing upon the Solomons of this day, and the glory of the Lord shall abide upon His people. Amen.

And now, the word concerning the KEYS, given through Chuck Pierce with comments by Steve Klasek )Huskermaniac:

What a powerful message! One we should be meditating on day and night. It unites so many of the recent postings. I am praying earnestly that God's sheild be lifted over this group...that we as watchman will be able to watch and hear with Holy clarity. Revival is sweeping from the South and the enemy is readying for war. God is stating very clearly that members of His church need to search within and make reform where necessary. Listen with all reverence. Pray as if your life depends on it. We as watchmen will be among the first to be judged. As the Arab world sees and seeks to exploit a perceived weakness in Israel...so our enemies are ready to exploit the weaknesses they see in us. Are we really ready to do battle? Or are we lukewarm?

Steve Klasek(Huskermaniac)

--- In watchman-seers-usa@egroups.com, liberty@s... wrote: >

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: THE ELIJAH LIST
> To: elijahlist@egroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:37 AM
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >


> Steve, We are in the midst of our quarterly Concert of Prayer here in Oklahoma with Chuck Pierce and others from the U.S. Spiritual Warfare Network, newly renamed U.S. Strategic Prayer Network. This is a very > important and timely word and I knew this would be the fastest way to get it out to the masses for pondering, prayer, and action. The next two weeks are critical.
> --- Kelvin Winter Norman, OK Home: casper89@w...

"I HAVE KEYS IN MY HAND. I'M REVIEWING AUTHORITY FROM CITY TO CITY, STATE TO > STATE, AND REGION TO REGION" > A Word through Chuck Pierce, October 27, 2000 > Sent in by Kelvin Winter, Norman, Oklahoma > Kelvin's email: casper89@w... >

> CHUCK PIERCE AT "OKLAHOMA CONCERT OF PRAYER" in Oklahoma City, morning of October 27, 2000:

"I saw Isaiah 32 and the Lord began to speak to me:

I AM setting My course for judgment upon the States of this land. I will be judging the states of this land and judgment will be evident by February 2002. Judgment will come based upon the complacency of the church from state to state. For you have thought judgment would come based upon the civil government that is in place but I would say to you that judgment will come because of the complacency of My people.


What is set in motion NOW will manifest by February 2002. It is important NOW HOW you motivate those around you to respond to Me saith the Lord. For that is how I will determine those that go into drought and who goes into natural disaster based upon the response of My people now. I say to you also I will release judgment from State to State based upon the response that I see concerning My Spirit dwelling on this earth.

For I say it is My Spirit that is the restraining force in this land and based upon how My Spirit is welcomed in a territory is how I will begin to allow demonic forces to rise up and how I will begin to dethrone demonic forces.

So I say to you, do not be a people who operate in false judgment for My judgment will come only based upon complacency and My judgment will only come upon the welcoming of My Spirit into your territories.

This will be a time of determining the authority at the gates of your cities and states. The rulership of the gates is being determined NOW.


I am reviewing authority from city to city, state to state and region to region. I have keys in My HAND. I know who and when I can release these. I know those who have been tested and who will be used in the future.

I am going to begin to orchestrate the establishment of worship throughout this nation saith the Lord. And I say as I orchestrate worship and as those respond to Me in worship I say cities will rise or cities will fall. How My people begin to worship NOW is how the atmosphere will begin to change from region to region. So I say to you this will be the time of change and how you respond now will cause the changes of the future.

As true worship penetrates the heavens, I will release judgment on false worship. Innocent blood has been shed because true worship has not been released. Hail and fire will be an indicator that I AM dealing with those regions who have aligned with Tophet and Moloch and sacrificed wrong offerings.


These next two years will be a time of deliverance for children. For I say to you abortion is linked with false idolatrous worship and I Am about to cause a dethroning by the release of My power through true worship.

Gather and worship Me from state to state throughout the land and I will deliver even those who have not yet been born.

Remove false judgments for I am setting a new course of righteousness and I say those that I place into places of authority--- surround them with your shields of faith, for I long to hide them so that a righteousness can be seen that has not been seen before.

Therefore, they must stay shielded so that they might display My righteous judgments.


War will now break out in these next 18 months. This will be a war of great spiritual magnitude. The war will be over the boundaries of the future--for the enemy has shifted boundaries.

There is a war over the justice of this land. I will establish justice in the midst of My people therefore there will be war over laws that have been established wrongly.

Know that you are warring with an antichrist system therefore do not fear this supernatural war that I am calling My people to be engaged in. Align yourself properly for war.


Watch Me, and learn to watch with Me! Now is the time of determining the future! As of this day because you have responded I have moved a shield out across your state [Oklahoma] that is allowing you to hear and be shielded of things that will be coming in the next 2 years saith the Lord.

I long to do this from state to state. I say do not take this for granted, for though this shield has been set in place, you must respond and continue to break down the complacency of this state. Complacency stops or distorts vision.

If you will begin to stir faith I will reveal how the enemy has shielded the workers of iniquity in your state. Lawless structures will be revealed.

Those cities that do not respond to My Spirit-- I say the shield will be shifted from them and lawlessness will manifest in their midst.

Cry out for My shield of faith to be established from state to state."

Released at Oklahoma Concerts of Prayer at a regional gathering of Leaders from a seven state region.

*Though somehow it did not get in the transcript, it was mentioned (later) that how you react, and what you do in the next 2 weeks will determine the outcome of your city/state/region by February 2002.

And now, the word, concerning the BODY AND THE FULLNESS, given through Greg Manali, with commentary by Keith Mullins.

I wanted to amplify on the theme of the Body of Christ. As gentile christians we have been guilty of de-jewing the concept of the Body of Christ and divorcing it from Israel. You are either in Israel or you are in the Body of Christ says the many in charismatic theological circles. In fact the Jew is first in the Body of Christ as those intrusted with the oracles of God: - scripture testifies: I COR.12:

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism F45 in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

It is the Holy Spirit brings about this common baptism. The concepts of the functioning Body of Christ and a united / restored house of Israel are not mutually exclusive. Without Jew there is no Body. Without Gentile there is no Body. Without both Jew and Gentile there is no restoration.

Gentiles major in their birthright (grace/faith and redemption by the blood). Jews major in the covenant (obeying and fulfilling the torah in order to walk in God's manifest blessings). The faith teaching has tried, in its own way, to cross over and unite 'birthright' and 'blessing' under a gentile roof, and they were not able to succeed. Why? Because there is no 'Body' without the Jew. Likewise there is no Israel without 'Ephraim'. If you would ask the average charismatic, that if they had a choice between being in the Body of Christ or the House of Israel, which one would they choose? -, they would pick the former. I believe though, that if you would have asked a jewish believer in Pauls' day the same question, they would answer the latter.

I believe the restoration of the Body of Christ, and the 'restoration of the kingdom' that Peter sought and asked Jesus about... are related if not synonymous. First the Body is restored - than the Kingdom comes.

For too long charismatic believers have clung to the old rugged cross. Thats a little easier than taking up your own cross. Once you have the birthright (and are appropiately grateful and refuse to despise that birthright... being born again) than we must begin the process of walking with God like Noah and Enoch. The culture that facilitated walking with God in Jesus' day was a culture that was interactive with the torah of God. Today we have some 'word churches' trying to simulate this culture and re-invent a wheel that never died. Today we don't call for the sacrifice of animals because we understand that although Jesus was crucified near the site of the red heffer sacrifice, He replaced it once and for all. That is legitimate replacement theology. Yet God has not changed His mind regarding how one walks in blessings or walks in cursings. 'The torah of the Lord is good....'

Certain individuals like Noah (who evidently performed temple sacrifice in his Ark activities before the law of Moses was given) have intuitively understood what it means to walk with God. The fact that much was handed down in oral tradition has obscurred the importance of that oral understanding of who Yahveh is and what He required for covenental relationship. Moses slept in a pitched ark. Noah sealed his Ark with pitch. The Ark of the covenant was sealed.... are we sealed by the down-payment promise of things to come the HOLY Spirit?

Today there is a growing company of those that 'hunger and thirst after righteousness'. These are not simply banking on a onetime experience of grace, but rather these are moving toward a kingdom culture that is similar to that experienced by the Patriarchs of olden days. These believers are torah walkers. They both Do and then they Teach... unlike their charismatic counterparts who have a tendency to teach but not ever implement or commit to a cultural solution. I am amazed at the devotion and hard work they put into their community. These are not those that are hyping jewish trinkets... but rather.. these are those that sit down and study the word of God in its hebrew context using the contextual tools of that day written by hebrew rabbis of old. These are not afraid of 5 hour services. They set aside a sabbath day each week to cease from their own works.

I say this as a gentile and a charismatic and a catholic from childhood. 'Revival' has not been a concept equated with teaching a generation to walk with God. One might experience a touch in a revival setting, but it must become a prelude to a changed life, and yes a change culture. Only in the hebrew culture do we see CULTURE and GODLY TRUTH packaged together. Yes, there may be an isolated church here and there that is unusually close and godly reinforcing. I haven't seen one yet, but that doesn't mean they are not out there somewhere. Somewhere over the rainbow of covenant promise lost.

One of the members of our torah class was relating to me an experience she had at Toronto where the Holy Ghost birthed something in her called 'fullness'. Today she understands that to mean a full restoration of kingdom truth and culture as experienced by understanding torah truth well enough to build NEW TESTAMENT truth UPON the basis of Torah truth and not in exclusion or replacement of torah truth. There is a fullness of counsel, and our charismatic gentile mentors with gentile degrees are not going to be able to perform this vital service.... they are going to have to be humbled publically and go into learning mode, (just as I am being humbled by my new venture into new technology). Can they become as a child again and start soaking up the necessary truth? Will they become like the 5 virgins with half oiled lamps, knowing only the New Covenant, and a few Ezekiel prophecies, and not understanding God's plan and progressive revelation - His foundation revealed in the torah? I think the kingdom door is opening and 1/2 of the remnant will step in and the other half will refrain and remain in a 1/2 truth revelation. The Door (Yeshua the living torah) has begun to crack open. Go out and meet the King.

M.M. (Keith)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristine" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: HIS BODY, THE FULLNESS OF HIM

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