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PROPHECY: US Aircraft Carrier Prophecies-Bob Neumann, Hollie Moody, comments by David Skelly
May 29, 2003

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Dear WPA

David Skelly and David Kenderes sent me their thoughts regarding prophecies regarding aircraft carriers by Bob Neumann, Hollie Moody and myself. When taken together, these are quite fascinating.

Stephen L. Bening

Comments by David Skelly:
Recently some thoughts on the Kitty Hawk Destroyed Prophecy and the 2 Aircraft Carriers dead in the water dream/vision have come to me. It has been thought that this vision is the same as the vision that Stephen Bening had of the destruction of the Kitty Hawk carrier group by a nuclear hedgehog missile coming in low.

I was thinking that if a nuclear missile exploded against the carrier group/s, a carrier would not just be dead in the water but be destroyed and sent to the bottom of the sea. You would expect a nuclear missile to completely destroy the Kitty Hawk with the remnant pieces going to the bottom of the sea, not just leave it dead in the water. There does not seem to be anything in Bob Neumann's vision which suggests nuclear weapons. All the missile hits in his vision were conventional. Neither does Bob's vision say that it necessarily occurs in the Persian gulf. He only gave the opinion that it fits the Persian Gulf senario. He does say that lots of exocet missiles are used. The only name for an aircraft carrier is 'Lincoln'. There was no Kitty Hawk mentioned in Bob's vision.

I tend to think that Bob's vision and Stephen's vision are two different things and not the same. This would naturally be disconcerting as it would suggest the loss of 3 aircraft carriers and not just 2. We know that Stephen's vision to my knowledge is set in the Persian Gulf and that a descendant of Ishmael ie probably an Arab fires the nuclear missile. There are also some Iranians in Iran of Iranian race who are descendants of Mohammad (Ishmael) through the female line. I have heard somewhere that Iranian Mullahs descended from Mohammad wear a special turban. There are some Iranians of Iranian race who are descendants of Ishmael.

As far as I know God did not in the Bob's vision directly say where the location is. So one must look for an enemy or potential enemy with lots of Exocet missiles. Nations having lots of exocet missiles like France seem to be unlikely to use them against the US.

There is one solution to this. That is China. China from what I have read seemed to have reverse engineered the French Exocet and made extensive modifications to it. From the Exocet base China has developed three missiles the C-801 (range 40 km), the C-802 (range 120 km) and the recently revealed C-803 (range about 200 km). All these missiles are in a sense exocets; just the Chinese versions of them with extensive modification to increase their range and effectiveness. China has also made a new version of the C-801 known as the C-801K to replace many older C-801's. The C-801K has a range of 80 km.

Not only that but the C-803 (range ~200 km) is a supersonic anti-ship cruise missile. One report says that it can go Mach 1.1. Another report says that it can go Mach 1.5. Bit by bit China is replacing her older indigenously produced ASCM's with C-803's. The US Harpoon anti-ship cruise missile has a range of 130 km and only goes Mach 0.9. The Chinese C-803 is faster and has a greater range than the American Harpoon.

China has lots of China brand exocets so many in fact that she could bombard the American fleet with hundreds of them. She can fire her anti-ship cruise missiles based on the exocet from her destroyers, frigates, some missile patrol boats, 3 diesel submarines (the Song class), 3 Han nuclear attack submarines, from about 100 Q-5 (Fantan) attack planes, from her newly built J-10 fighter plane and from her newly built JH-7 fighter-bomber plane.

We also know that China had sold hundreds of C-801's and C-802's to Iran. Some have even said that Iran might be able to produce these missiles or anti-ship missiles like them. Iran is pulling out all stops to produce ballistic missiles and anti-ship cruise missiles.

I know of only 2 enemies or potential enemies that can fire enough exocets or exocet based missiles against American ships [that is fire exocets or exocet based missiles in their hundreds]. These are China and Iran. It could be quite possible that America might lose 2 aircraft carriers in a war with China. Bob's vision also mentions that the American's would get hit from behind. In ancient Chinese warfare texts one way to defeat a superior opponent is not to hit him head on but to hit him in the rear or at the side. Attacking the Americans from behind is exactly what you expect the Chinese to do one of these days. The possibility to my knowledge that Bob's prophecy might refer to a war with China has not been mentioned before.

And of course the other possibility is Iran. Iran has exocet based missiles in coastal batteries and on some missile patrol boats. Apparently some of Iran's planes can fire these missiles as well. But Iran only has a limited number of war planes in working order. A number of years back China was forced to stop selling her C-801's and C-802's to Iran because of American pressure. To obtain more exocet based missiles she has to produce them herself. To my knowledge this is what Iran is determined to do.

The idea that America could lose 3 aircraft carriers; one in one battle and two in a different battle is a disconcerting one.

It is interesting that Bob saw the 'Lincoln' aircraft carrier dead in water and one other aircraft carrier that was unnamed dead in the water. Bob saw the 'Lincoln' as dead in the water before the aircraft carrier 'Abraham Lincoln' was built. It just so happened that president George Bush made a victory speech on the deck of the 'Abraham Lincoln'. It seemed to be a such a great rousing speech. George Bush made a victory speech on the aircraft carrier that was prophesied to become a burning hulk dead in the water. How incredible is that?

Yours in Christ David Skelly

Dear Stephen and the WPA,

Something happened today that has not happened in many months. I was awakened out of a sound sleep at exactly 4:44.

Not important to some people. but to this "old dog" it was very important simply because of previous experiences.

Try the "taste" of this WORD....

Psalm 44 1 We have heard with our ears, O God, our fathers have told us, what work thou didst in their days, in the times of old. 2 How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out. 3 For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them. 4 Thou art my King, O God: command deliverances for Jacob. 5 Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us. 6 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me. 7 But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us. 8 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah. 9 But thou hast cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies. 10 Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. 11 Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. 12 Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price. 13 Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. 14 Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people. 15 My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me, 16 For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth; by reason of the enemy and avenger. 17 All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant. 18 Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; 19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. 20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; 21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. 22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter. 23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever. 24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? 25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. 26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

And then there is the present date....December 21 and the events concerning THE QUARTET.... and the fact that the 21st/22nd is the WINTER SOLSTICE and the beginning of winter. It is this pagan festival that the early church religicized and made "kosher". Christmas trees, Yule logs, Wassail bowls, and Father Winter preceeded the INCARNATION of MESSIAH. December 24/25 is an invention by man for man. But then again most of christianity's "feasts" and ritualistic traditions have anything to do with Y'SHUA HA'MASHIACH, THE SON OF MAN/SON OF GOD.

This morning upon awaking i sought THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT the reason for this awakening today and all i got was a jumble of images and scriptures, none of which were new. So i went on line, the first since the "news" about the deployment of the Kitty Hawk and the Lincoln, which i sent to you. I guess I had no surprise to see you posting it for the WPA.

Like you this is an importmant deployment of naval forces. I do not think there have been five Carrier Task Forces deployed in any one war zone since 1945. At the battle of LEYTE GULF several "pocket carriers" were deployed in MacArthur's Return to the Phillipines to give Air Support to the invasion force. But the deployment of ships of this size and in these numbers have not occured in human history.

What bothers me most is that no MODERN American Carrier Task Force has had to fight a defensive battle. There have been uncounted simulations....but never a full out assault. Will our TECHNOLOGY win the day??????????????????????? then i read your post... Prophecy: Judgement Upon Man's Inventions...........

It must have been in 1992-3 when i had a night vision where i saw a "bridge" of a US capital ship when the "radar" began to pick up "bogies" in huge numbers. I watched as commands were given and planes were launched and missles were fired.

I sensed the amazement of the officers that the "attack" had come from "behind them" when their expected enemy was still ahead of them. This plays right into the IRAQ/IRAN situation that we now see.

Then i was above the "fleet" watching as the sky filled with explosions as defensive fire started taking out "exocets"..... and then i saw lines of fire as numerous PHALANX guns opened fire.........

i watched planes catapult off a carrier's deck as the "exocets" began to hit their targets. it was in the fire of the burning deck that i saw the name....LINCOLN..... i watched several frigates literally blown apart by several simultanious "hits"......... in all i could "see" two carriers "dead in the water" with the wreckage of other ships all across my field of vision.

i watched as several TOM CATS in full afterburner came from my left to my right which is where the attack originated. so there had to be another carrier........and as i watched them move away from me i could see the second wave of "exocets" coming towards me..... it was then the "vision" ended.

But this is the "weirdness" of the prophetic. At the time there was no ABRAHAM LINCOLN. And honestly because of that fact i put the "vision" aside. Then in 1999...if i remember correctly....i responded through Bill Somer's site to a post by Bryan Hupperts concerning Sadam Hussain called "BASKET VISION" where i spoke of the sinking of our carriers............

According to the LOGOS, THE WORD OF GOD.....there is an appointed TIME for most visions, dreams, RHEMA... i think our new TIME and SEASON is upon us.

2 Thessalonians 2 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness

Funny thing of those scriptures that was so jumbled after awakening spoke of THE ONE WHO HOLDS BACK.... and THE LAWLESS ONE.....and ALL KINDS OF COUTERFIT MIRACLES, SIGNS, and WONDERS.... Y'SHUA called the people eager for SIGNS and WONDERS an "adulteraous" generation.....

you mentioned MICHAEL...who as DANIEL SAID....will "step aside".... gold teeth....etc.... ISAIAH spoke of the END TIMES like Jeremiah, over and over....

Isaiah 56 9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest. 10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Stephen, please remember the first dream i ever had where i "saw" JESUS/Y'SHUA was standing in the midst of HIS SHEEP. But i was not a sheep...or a goat....i was a dog....and HE IS MY MASTER....

Isaiah speaks of BLIND WATCHMEN....ignorant.... DUMB DOGS....who cannot bark...asleep and loving it....GREEDY.... SHEPHERDS without UNDERSTANDING....LOOKING FOR GAIN....

Over the months several people have asked me through email and by phone what THE MOST HOLY SPIRIT has been showing me....what ABBA has said to me. I have answered only one person in all this time...Mark Wattenford....ABBA had a task and i did it. Otherwise i have stayed obedient to my last...most recent command....BE STILL....QUIET.... until now.

For numerous years i "barked" when i was told to do so.....and then HE took away "my bell" and i got a new set of orders.

That was nearly a year ago. But i was told to stop my generalized intercession several years ago....with this LOGOS....

Jeremiah 15 1 Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth. 2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity. 3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. 4 And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh the son of Hezekiah king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem. 5 For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest? 6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the LORD, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting. 7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people since they return not from their ways.

Several times in the first 15 chapters ADONAI tells Jeremiah not to pray for the people of Judea and Jerusalem. But he repeatedly warned them to return to THE GOD of their fathers.....they did not and Jerusalem was captured several times and eventually destroyed.....

But look again at verse 2......FOUR judgements on an unrepentant people.....DEATH, SWORD, FAMINE, CAPTIVITY....

Now verse 3...again a group of FOUR....SWORD....DOGS....FOWLS....BEASTS....


Many people give "prophetic words" that are "conditional". Many have made major ministries speaking of the need for "prayer" to prevent/postpone catastrophic judgement. They "predict" judgement that is always "held back".......

I have only one CONDITIONAL LOGOS i have carried for years....

12 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. 13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. 16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. 17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments; 18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel. 19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; 20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations. 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? 22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

This explains Jeremiah 15.... last image...i got this morning....from an old movie....Indians against Indians....about an attack on an "enemy village". before the attack can begin....they have to "kill the dogs" so no warning can be given of their attack.



aka "old dog"

Hi Stephen, in actuality the "New War" - "The War Against Terrorism" began not with the invasion of Iraq nor with the invasion of Afghanistan, but on the infamous date of 911. So it appears from some of the writings of the prophets from God, that all of these battles and invasions are all linked together as part of the one war on terrorism and its war on USA.

Thinking in those terms, I was wondering if you had ever seen the prophecy given to the prophetess Hollie L. Moody back back in January 25, 2000 (see below)? I read for the first time tonight in my study time. It came from your collection of prophecies and not mine. It sounds an awful lot like the Kitty Hawk prophecy that the Lord gave to you. Only in Hollie's prophecy, it not only gives a date of when the ships would be struck (on the "17"th like yours), but it also gives a month (November)! Let me know your thoughts, Dave

October 23, 2001, Vision, Osama bin Laden & Afghanistan & American Ships

This morning, I began to have a vision. First, I saw Afghanistan. I then saw a helicopter. Osama bin Laden and some other men were boarding this helicopter. After they left, there was a horrific explosion in Afghanistan. Then, it was as if a chain reaction of bombs began to go off (probably USA bombs). After this, there was a bomb blast that had the appearance in the vision of a nuclear explosion. A chain reaction of events then began to appear in this vision. I then saw a different scene. In this scene, missiles were aimed at our Naval ships that are in the vicinity of the Persian Gulf. There were 5 ships that caught my attention, although there were more than this that I saw in the vision. I saw as these missiles flew at and hit many of the ships. Over a period of days in this vision, there were further attacks against individual nations. [I will attempt to write all this down in greater detail when time permits. I am briefly sharing just portions for the purpose of asking you to please be in prayer.] As at other times, I saw darkness. Before, I had seen this in visions as a darkness over America. I now saw that it was a worldwide darkness. At this point, I'm not sure if it was a spiritual or physical darkness. "November 17th" has been impressed upon my mind and heart.

Stephen L. Bening

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